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2012 Vice Presidential Debate

October 12, 2012

Thanks to Big Hairy News for the picture

I just watched the vice presidential debate between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan. Actually, I watched until about half way through the part about the 2014 time line to withdraw the U.S. troops from Afghanistan. By that time I had enough of watching Mr. Biden poke his finger and talk so condescending to the moderator. She looked like a whipped puppy when he’d raise his voice talking over her. As far as who the winner and loser was, I dunno. The thing that I couldn’t help but notice is Mr. Biden lying right from the beginning. The moderator asked Biden,  “Wasn’t this a massive intelligence failure?”  He didn’t answer that and then when she asked why they didn’t supply the requested security force … He flat-out lied when he said there was no request for more security in Benghazi. He said, “We weren’t told they wanted more security. We did not know they wanted more security there.” The moderator didn’t call him on his lie and we can’t really check with Ambassador Stevens.  A few minutes later he said he wasn’t into (I couldn’t make out the actual word he used) talking about classified information … I think these people would disagree with that claim.  A few minutes later he scoffed and dismissed the idea that Iran is getting close to developing a nuclear weapon. He claimed that the U.S. and Israel hold the identical position that Iran cannot produce a nuclear device. That claim is another blatant lie.   He got much more belligerent and cocky as the debate went on. And I suppose he felt that if he was stern enough in his statements that would make them true.

I visited my good friend Christine’s blog Talk Wisdom and she has this video which shows how much of a liar Joe Biden is … as well as Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama.

What gripes my grunt about any and all politicians is when they say something like … “I was in so and so and sat down with so and so and we talked about the problems he/she is facing … so I know the pain they feel”. Gawd! that is so phony and they all do it.

I think Ryan did okay … but the old saying of “you can lock horns with a thief, but you can’t with a liar” certainly took its toll on him. Especially a belligerent and arrogant one.  I know one thing, when a guy like Joe Biden looks into the camera after he’s obviously been lying and says “trust me” … that creeps me out!

Cartoon by: Glenn McCoy

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  1. October 12, 2012 9:22 am

    Biden used shout tactics and bullying in this debate. He lost just on that point even without all the lies he told. I do wish Ryan would have been a little more forceful in making some points but I still believe he got the message across. That smirky smile that Biden wore that whole debate was actually his downfall. No one likes a wise guy. But then is he any different than Obama? This would all be pitiful excpet that there are liberals who are being taken in hook, line and the sinking of this country!

    • October 12, 2012 9:37 am

      I agree Marianne. I think the calm demeanor of Mr. Ryan won as it showed much more honesty. People like Biden are like bullies of which I cannot tolerate for a minute. Ryan did good enough for me … I think the moderator’s true colors started to come out as the debate continued as she started to cut Ryan off at times. But what the heck …
      This morning I was doing my usual “self-flagellation” … going to liberal sites to see what they had to say. One guy starts off “Every Ryan lie, distortion and evasive response was immediately pounced upon by Joe Biden and logically ripped to shreds. Ryan quickly discovered that he wasn’t at a Fox interview where conservative BS routinely goes unchallenged.”
      Man, Ray Charles could see Biden was lying through his teeth!

    • October 12, 2012 2:37 pm

      Just in case they missed the lies, there are non-partisan fact-checker sites that blow must of what Biden said out of the water.

    • October 12, 2012 3:13 pm

      I’ve been round and round with some of these liberals, and I have to tell you Marianne, when you lay out the facts, backed up with solid sources they will just claim it’s “right-wing propaganda”. I made a comment on one liberal blog site a while back as the stuff he was saying (writing) was so false it was ridiculous. I included a link to the source of my facts. The guy deleted my link and in his reply said that he didn’t allow links to any sites that promote conservative views. Those dastardly little things called facts mean nothing to them.

  2. AFVET permalink
    October 12, 2012 2:45 pm

    I think Ryan did pretty well given the circumstances.
    He was constantly being interrupted by Biden and the moderator.
    I did not see the moderator stop Biden in order to let Ryan finish his comment.
    However, Biden talked over the moderator when he wanted the stage.

    I think that Biden provided us with a graphic demonstration of an administration on the edge of defeat.
    The very fact that Obama called him and told him that he did a good job should be indicative of the leadership of this country.

    The thugs need to go in November.

    • October 12, 2012 3:17 pm

      I feel the same AFVET. He did okay and like I said in the above comment Ryan’s calm demeanor was strong support of his honesty. I couldn’t watch the whole thing. Biden was grating on me so bad I started having visions of just slapping him and telling him to shut up!

    • AFVET permalink
      October 12, 2012 3:39 pm

      I gave up on it too Steve.
      My wife watched the whole thing while cursing at the TV.
      I told my wife that Ryan should just stand up and bust Biden in the face.

  3. Dixie permalink
    October 13, 2012 1:01 am

    I couldn’t watch the whole thing either. Biden was an embarassment. And when I heard Obama say he did a great job, I just now believe there are really people as looney as the two of them out there who relate to these people. I was listening to a man on a news show who when asked why he thought Biden said some of the things he did because they were not true so is there a cover up? The man responded saying he wishes it was a cover up because it could be investigated. But he continued, these people actually believe what they say which doesn’t make them liars either. It makes them narcasists or and or sociopaths! He didn’t say that last line that is what I am saying. They are dangerous for America. Then on my FB page I saw a biblical reference to Proverbs 29:9, which can be interpreted a few different ways depending on the version of the Bible you are reading. The NKJV online says this
    “If a wise man contends with a foolish man,
    Whether the fool rages or laughs, there is no peace”.
    So it brought me peace to know there is something about how Biden, who is a fool, acted in the bible!

    I did think Ryan was much more confident and more of an intellect than Biden. Biden’s grin reminded me of the Joker from Batman. When Biden brought up veterans because we all know his son served one year in Iraq, I was a bit irritated Ryan didn’t say something like, “and that is another area which needs to be attended to. Waiting 2 years after filing a claim is too much. And let’s not mention veterans are amongst the highest group of homeless in this country”. But he didn’t. In real life, I have known people who die waiting for their claim and others who have waited and waited for 4 or more years suffering all the time with no income. So to me, veterans and their families issues need to be brought up. Homeless veterans is a shame to America and to me, criminal. So I wrote to the Romney campaign but I don’t expect an answer. I do hope it gets addressed in one of the debates though.

    • October 13, 2012 4:36 am

      Good morning Dixie. It’s good to “see” you. You are so right on about the veteran situation. There is no excuse for any veteran being jobless and homeless. It’s a disgrace on America. But we have to consider the person who’s acting like a “Commander in chief”. He loathes the military and the people in the Congress who are veterans are getting fewer and fewer. Nothinig but a bunch of lawyers now. I for one, think a requirement to become the President of the United States should include military experience. We have a guy squatting in the White House making vital national security decisions that wasn’t even a boy scout. It’s ridiculous.

    • October 13, 2012 7:36 am

      Get your stuff straight! It was the Repugs who just stonewalled a $1 billion Jobs Bill that would have allowed 20,000 veterans just home from over there to train for decent jobs…. Rethugs love to flaunt their love for the troops until it comes time to actually do something that might help them and then it seems to be “Katy bar The Door,”-

    • October 13, 2012 7:47 am

      I don’t think that’s quite accurate John. Check with Harry Reid …

      http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obamas-jobs-bill-pretty-well-jammed-in-the-senate/

    • Dixie permalink
      October 13, 2012 1:24 pm

      I have always believed if you are going to run this country you should have some direct knowledge of what it is like to serve in combat. A commander-in-chief is a title which should be earned, not given.

    • October 13, 2012 7:40 am

      I do not allow it either – – -“The guy deleted my link and in his reply said that he didn’t allow links to any sites that promote conservative views. Those dastardly little things called facts mean nothing to them. – – –

      And guess what?

      The greatest conservative blog in the whole world, “RedState” doesn’t allow crap that talks against conservatism on their site either. You can read it in their rules of posting.

      I just follow the lead of the successful ones.

    • October 13, 2012 9:46 am

      Re: “- – – Homeless veterans is a shame to America and to me, criminal. So I wrote to the Romney campaign but I don’t expect an answer – – -”
      – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

      Let me put on my right wing hat for a minute here and address the “Homeless Veterans” thing from what I feel is a more conservative viewpoint:

      If I am not mistaken, veterans are not forced to join the military these days. If I am not mistaken they join voluntarily and should be well apprised of any risks they might encounter long before they actually have to face any.

      If I am not mistaken, those who serve receive their government paychecks on a regular basis and receive their free health care at government expense all during the time they are in uniform. In other words, they are paid for what they do!

      Once they have left the service, why should it fall to the government to keep on spending taxpayer money to keep on giving benefits to veterans who are no longer in uniform?

      Isn’t it a big thing with Republicans and Conservatives that the government has no business paying people once no more service is being rendered?

      In other words, why should the taxpayer keep on paying to provide for veterans who are no longer on active duty?

      So my point is – – – Veterans should go out once they are discharged and use some of that good old Right Wing “Self-Reliance” and “Self-Sufficiency” to take advantage of all those opportunities that America offers to anyone who is willing to work and who does not want to live on the government give aways.

      There!

      I have done my best to address the homeless veteran problem from what I think is the viewpoint of the right wing in America.

      I think the Romney campaign should not feel any obligation to answer a letter about the “Homeless Veteran” problem because if the “Homeless” veterans would pay attention to what Conservatives preach, there wouldn’t be any homeless veteran problem in the first place, right?

      Of course we all know that is a load of horse droppings, don’t we?

    • October 13, 2012 10:34 am

      Liberals never disappoint me when I need a reminder of just how hypocritical and narrowminded they are.
      Just what makes you think liberals, Democrats and progressives (actually re-gressives) have a lock on the poor, veterans, the elderly, the sick, and people of color? Conservatives, if I’m not mistaken, have family members that are poor, veterans, elderly, sick and just might be people of color. So for liberals to repeat the bald faced lie that conservatives or Republicans “not caring” for these people is a “load of horse droppings” my friend. I get very tired of hearing and reading bull crap like I just pointed out. Conservatives and Republicans have sons and daughters and sick folks that we happen to care very much about and I’m sick of listening to people like you claim we don’t. I see the identical line of crap on your site as this clown Mario whatever his name is. Identical bunch of lies. It would be funny if it wasn’t such a pathetic lie.
      I think what amazes me the most is that seemingly intelligent people like you actually believe that stuff.

    • John Liming permalink
      October 13, 2012 12:35 pm

      Liberal oriented ideology is best understood by those gifted with intellect.

    • Dixie permalink
      October 13, 2012 10:44 pm

      Sorry John I didn’t see it as satire but that is the difference between us. No I don’t know you and you don’t know me. But I think from what I have written in the blog you do know I grew up military and as a result it is part of who I am. No to mention as I have before, my husband was a demolitions engineer with the 4th ID in Vietnam and died after he came home, as many did. I just don’t understand your point of view and I wish I did but I don’t. I have also told you I don’t get this “right wing”, “left wing” stuff so I must not be either. If you are saying it as you believe a strong republican would believe, it is absolutely a bit over the edge so maybe satirical. Though when I was young, I use to vote democrat and after awhile voted as an independent or I think there use to be, maybe there still is, ‘non-partisan’.

    • John Liming permalink
      October 14, 2012 12:44 pm

      Non partisan is good.

      Kind of hard to maintain a non partisan position, but if it can be done it is very good indeed.

    • Dixie permalink
      October 14, 2012 12:59 pm

      Sorry John I should not have been disrespectful to your service to our country. It was wrong and I apologize…no excuses. Thank you for serving. I didn’t understand what you were saying until I actually was dozing off last night (my brain doesn’t sleep, but I try to!)thinking about it. So, you see people in the republican party as ‘Scrooges’?

    • John Liming permalink
      October 14, 2012 1:09 pm

      No, not at all. I respect many members of the Republican party – – the older Republican party – – the party of Lincoln and Reagan and Nixon. It is some of the more extreme new wild thinkers with whom I take issue most often. I think some of their ideas are reckless and irresponsible. But I always have been friendly toward what I call “Real Republicans” and “Real Conservatives.” The good old Grand Old Party Republicans did some awfully good things for America and I am grateful to them. I always considered President Nixon, for example, to be one of the greatest statesmen this country ever produced back in the days before he became water gated. By the way, don’t tell anybody but I voted for Nixon when he ran for that second term that got betrayed by his enemies.

    • Dixie permalink
      October 14, 2012 1:20 pm

      I agree with you on this one and it goes the same with the democratic party.

    • John Liming permalink
      October 14, 2012 5:54 pm

      absolutely!

  4. October 13, 2012 7:34 am

    So what is the problem? As I recall, Romney used bullying and shout tactics on President Obama in their debate and the President displayed a calm demeanor throughout. I don’t see what the big gripe here is all about because what you guys are claiming Biden did to Ryan is exactly the same scenario as what Romney did to Obama. It just doesn’t feel so good when some of this crap comes to leave it’s smell on your own doorstep,does it?

    • AFVET permalink
      October 13, 2012 12:16 pm

      I sense fear Johnny boy.
      What are you afraid of ?

    • October 13, 2012 12:21 pm

      right wing crazies sometimes scare me a little – – – but not too much.

    • Dixie permalink
      October 13, 2012 1:14 pm

      John I now know you are either not a veteran or never served in combat. Many people have always joined the military because some actually believe serving your country in this way is an honor. Beside the fact when one speaks to a recruiter they are offered bonuses and promised training in a field they are interested in. They are enticing elements to a poor economy and our government knows this. Beside they are presented with the benefits of the GI bill if they live and come home. This means being able to purchase a home with a low down or no down and low interest rate. This is the dream of most Americans who work hard if they in fact do have a job.

      Furthermore, there is no doubt in my mind the economy is going to take a dive after Romney and Ryan take office for a few reasons. This administration has plunged into a debt which I believe will take 10-20 years to recover from. The unions will no longer run our country which will probably create havoc for the members as well as the fat cats who have used Obama as their puppet donating huge amount of money to he and his “friends” to keep their members working so they could continue their very lavish lifestyle. Obama is wealthy so it won’t be a problem for him. But it will affect our economy. Though we will be able to blame him and it will really be his fault. Plus, the Bush tax cuts will expire by the end of the year. Obama can actually do something now but he won’t because he knows he isn’t going to win and wants it all to fall on someone else’s shoulder, cause he is a coward and a very bad leader.

      Wall Street will probably take a dive because they were bailed out by Obama immediately after he took office because they too were big donaters to his campaign.

      I could go on and on and on but I really don’t have the time and I can’t understand why people don’t get this or understand the issues at hand.

    • Dixie permalink
      October 13, 2012 1:26 pm

      I think I told you my father served in the Marines his whole life and he volunteered. My husband served in the Army and most of my friends I grew up with went to Vietnam in one of the services. Some were drafted and some actually volunteered. Whatever they did our government didn’t hesistate to use each and everyone of them.

    • John Liming permalink
      October 13, 2012 9:38 pm

      I was in the United States Army National Guard from 1957-60 and in the Regular United States Air Force from 1962-1966 and my last command was Strategic Air Command. I served honorably both times and it was all during the Vietnam Era.

      I was simply using satire to explain how I see the attitudes of some of the right wingers who want to take away all the benefits of the social safety nets, but I do not appreciate you or any one else questioning my service to my country. You don’t know a thing about me and I don’t know where you are coming from.

  5. October 13, 2012 10:42 am

    “Re-pugs, Re-thugs” Isnt’ it amazing when liberals have a weak argument they try to bolster it with name calling? John talks as if the homelss veteran problem just showed up. Was it there when Clinton was in office or did it just happen beause of Bush? Get your facts straight, too! Just because Obama lost the debate, the liberals are on the offensive. Keep blaming the conservatives and we can win again. The ideologies of the liberals is what is taking this nation down! Let’s keep aborting babies and, oh ya, let’s also fund abortions in other countries. Did you know that we did that? Our tax money? I don’t know what God the liberal agenda professes but obviously, he hasn’t helped this country! Obama will bankrupt this country if he is re-elected. That is the only thing you can take to the bank!!

    • October 13, 2012 10:54 am

      uh oh! … someone got spanked! :D
      Perfect Marianne!

    • October 13, 2012 12:22 pm

      Here you go! Argue with the Red Cross if you want to:

      http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17536-republicans-lie-about-support-our-troops

    • Dixie permalink
      October 13, 2012 1:22 pm

      John if you continue to go to liberal blogs/sites you will continue to be brainwashed. Look up the facts on the bills online and do not believe anything you read, and only 1/2 of what you see….learned that when I was a child. The Red Cross? Please, they are in the business of making money and if they are cut off just like AARP and many others who live off of the government funds, it will cause a lot of problems for their wealthy administrators/directors/ceo’s, etc. They do not exist on donations. The Job Corp at one point in time was a good thing. Now it, much like the democratic party, has changed so much, and is so reliant on federal funding with no following up on those they help to see if they actually kept a job and became independent, it may not be what it was meant to be over 50 years ago.

    • John Liming permalink
      October 13, 2012 9:33 pm

      I am a liberal!
      Some people are not so well off that they can do without a little help from time to time.
      Others are so selfish they want to make sure that help is not there. I call those the right wing extreme.
      I guess we all have an opinion about things.
      I guess we are all entitled to whatever we wish to think.

  6. October 13, 2012 12:28 pm

    Re: ” – – -conservatives or Republicans “not caring” for these people is a “load of horse droppings” my friend. I get very tired of hearing and reading bull crap like I just pointed out. – – –

    Just wait til you see what Republicans have in store for those among you who need care if they get elected in November – – – The thing that I never understood is how even Republicans can be enticed to vote against their own interests – – – and if they elect Republikans in 2012 and the right gets control, even the faithful true believers among the non-wealthy Republicans are going to get the royal shaft.

    • AFVET permalink
      October 13, 2012 7:40 pm

      I hear there is a nice big island just off the southern point of Florida that you might be interested in investigating.
      You will find that your views are largely accepted, by the government.
      Except for the the freedom of speech issue.

    • John Liming permalink
      October 13, 2012 9:29 pm

      thank you for your service.

    • John Liming permalink
      October 14, 2012 12:49 pm

      That avatar represents a unit that made history but is it still in existence? Isn’t that the emblem of the old “Flying Tigers?”

      So did you fight to defend my rights to disagree on issues too? Was I included in that America that you fought for?

      You think I should leave the country because I do not agree with a certain set of views?

      Thanks for your input – – – I think.

  7. October 16, 2012 11:15 pm

    Joke Biden has been creeping me out too, for the last 20 years. He’s so slimey! He makes used car salesmen look like angels. He, like Obama, never met a lie he didn’t like. Peas in a pod, those two.

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